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arizona, texas, california, all over the south, i know how hard it is, and i'm not going to lie to you, it's rough. but i guess i'm here to show you that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, if we all do our part to keep each other safe. >> all right. that is it for us tonight. thank you for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" is up next. tonight on "all in" -- florida breaking records in covid deaths and new cases, as republicans forge ahead with convention plans. now looking at an outdoor option in jacksonville in august. and texas hospitals overwhelmed, and the mayor of houston desperately trying to shut down the city again. and what is the white house solution to millions of americaning now out of a job? just find something new. "all in" starts right now.hayes.
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let me begin by making a pitch for you for ae to go. but how does this sound? jacksonville, florida, late august, three straight days, outside. the temperatures will likely be around 95, humidity 80%, so it could feel like it's 105, 110, who knows? oh, and you will not be at the beach. no, no, you'll be walking on hot pavement or in an arena, surrounded by a big group of people screaming and cheering, kind of like this, in the middle of a pandemic, in one of the hardest hit places in the entire world. oh, and one more thing. if you're coming from any of these states, you'll be asked, and in many cases, required to self-quarantine for 14 days when you get back before you can resume your life. if this sounds like a terrible idea, well, i hope you're not planning attending the republican national convention
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in august. due to the apandemic, republicas are planning to move much of the pandemic outside. this is the latest move in the rnc debacle, and absolutely perfect microcosm of every way the president and his party has failed to deal with this public health crisis. it reminds me of this cartoon very popular, i'm sure you've seen it, where a dog sits at a table in a room that is burning and he declares, this is fine. and that's what trump's been doing the entire pandemic. his approach to all of this, the whole thing, is to deny it, pretend it's not happening and hope he can will it away, this is type. and that has not worked, because you have to put fires out, or they burn everything down. and now his lack of action is ruining his own republican national convention. do you remember the original plan for the convention? it was supposed to be held in charlotte, north carolina until the governor of that state, democrat roy cooper, made it clear in early june that his
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state would not allow a full-scale convention because, well, he did not want thousands and thousands of people packed shoulder to shoulder indoors in the midst of a once in a century pandemic. and republicans lashed out at the governor for trying to protect the residents of the state. because donald trump wants his big coronavirus party without it being scaled back in any way. so they started rolling out the red carpet to try to get the convention moved to their state. it became a right-wing performance art where the republicans would say we want your coronavirus party, we don't care about covid here. georgia governor brian kemp p k saying we hope you'll consider the peach state. president trump ultimately went with florida, where his buddy, governor ron desantis, saying
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his state had not been hard and shoving it in the face of the elites. since then, things in florida have gotten very, very bad. the state has seen a dramatic increase in cases. 15,000 on sunday alone, shattering records previously held by california and new york. in one day, florida alone saw more cases than all of europe. yes, you heard that right, all of europe. doctors in florida are warning that intensive care units could reach capacity within days. the state hit a new single day record for coronavirus deaths. and even governor desantis is now admitting that, yes, testing is falling short. he's also been reportedly quietly hindering fund-raising for, yes, the convention. which has not been going well. meanwhile, the republican major of jacksonville has issued a mandatory mask order. good for him. and by the way, he just had to self-quarantine after exposure to the coronavirus. as for his constituents, they
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are making clear they do not want the convention to take place at all. and one by one, day by day, republicans are saying they're just not going to go. either because they don't want to be associated with the president in an election year, or because they're people who are at risk for contracting the virus, possibly dying. people like chuck grassley, who is 86 years old and skipping the convention for the first time in 40 years due to the virus. and that seems like a good idea. would you advise chuck grassley to fly to jacksonville to go to the rnc? donald trump wants to pretend the virus does not exist. he's willing to risk infecting his most loyal supporters for the brief ruch sh of serotonin n an arena of adoring fans that will give him. for the people that supported him if 2016 shar, that is why t will not be voting for him again. >> i voted for trump because a lot of my republican friends
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encouraged me to do so. i do not think that he has handled the covid thing well. and even though he thinks it's beautiful and perfect, i don't think so. >> in 2016, i voted for donald trump. once the coronavirus hit, you know, everything just -- i wouldn't vote for him at all now. >> i did vote for trump in 2016. he's just -- you know, i would have probably voted for him again had all the things with the coronavirus not taken place. >> i voted for trump in 2016. trump's handling of the covid-19 is a disgrace, and has caused more death than the vietnam war. i will vote for anyone who can beat donald trump. i will vot
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>> as polarized as this country is, even many republican voters, even many trump voters have finally noticed that nothing is final. those are just some of the hundreds of video testimonials from disaffected trump voters. the group's director, tim miller, joins me now. and tim, i have to say, i find your website, there's just tons of these. i sort of fall down watching them. the reason i find them interesting is, what the breaking point is for different people and also the fact that the country is very polarized. there's not a lot -- the movements are small, but the people that are moving, it's interesting to hear why at this late date they are moving, and it does seem to me that what has happened over the last four months is unavoidable. >> it's a significant percentage, right, chris? it might not be a big percentage, but in an election that trump only won by 80,000 voters, and there are millions of these voters, and this is who
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we've been talking to, people that voted for him but now say that they disapprove of him. we tried to learn why and how we can reach these voters. that's what in project came out of. so we asked them, give us these testimonials, go to the website and upload these testimonials. they've been so moving, honestly. a lot of people just say they want to get something off their chest, and i thinkha their stories are connecting with other peoples, and what we're learning is there are millions of people like them, and they could be the difference in carrying biden to a victory. and if the political environment doesn't change between now and november, they could be the difference in carrying him to a big victory. a 2%, 3% move of these republicans that voted for trump that didn't really like them the last time but hated hillary more, that's the difference between losing close like hillary did and winning 400 electoral votes. so those are the people we're trying to talk to with this project. >> you're someone who spent a
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long time in republican politics, professional republican political dude. and you have before an outspoken never trumper. the rnc debacle is the perfect allegory about what's happening in the era of trump, both to the country, the republican party. these places falling all overthemselves, it's all so insane. is this thing going to happen? can you imagine it happening? >> tulsa happened. donald trump has this effect on people in the party. so we're talking to these three to five to maybe up to 8% of the voters that we can win over. there's another 40% that are with trump on whatever, and that is the tail that's wagging the dog, right, chris? so i guess it could happen. we did one of those polls that you showed that found each republican voters didn't want the convention to happen in jacksonville, but there's this strong base and trump's ego that
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i think is going to force it through at least in some form or fashion. he can't take the embarrassment. that's what it's all about. >> you just referenced tulsa. you know, one thing that i keep kind of sort of regrounding me and sort of centering my sanity a little bit amidst this insane time is that there is some gravity that exists. people did not come out to that tulsa thing, because they had rational fear that it was not a good idea to be inside an arena in the midst of a once in a censure pandemic. you have the rnc saying we're going to push this outdoors. there's a certain immovable object nature to the virus, to the reality to it, and the gravity of it that seems to me to keep regrounding the politics of the absurd that is donald trump. >> yeah, this is what you learn from these videos. you know, a lot of these folks have changed their mind in the last three months, because finally between the virus and
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between these protests in their communities, something happened that affected them. you know, they thought that trump was going to be a businessman and a deal maker, but they see him just totally unprepared, unable, unwilling to even try to handle this crisis. and it pains them. you can see how some of them feel almost ashamed that they've been -- that they feel duped. so that is why we're doing this project, to create a strength in numbers so that other people noticing this, looking around now too, say thing is insane what is happening. they can see there are other people like them. i think that tulsa was a little bit of a canary in the coal mine, that folks just show up for it in this reddest of red states. >> we should say right now the polling average, national polling average has joe biden up by ninth points over donald trump. no incumbent president has won by double digits since herbert hoover. but we live in different times.
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tim miller, i've just got to say as a kind of time capsule or a collection of texts from this era, it's really fascinating website. i have really enjoyed and learned a lot from just going through them. >> thanks so much. the best ones are on tv right now in north carolina and arizona. we're hoping to do that in other swing states as well, coming soon. i want to now bring in someone in charge of dealing with the coronavirus crisis in florida. that is the state that will have this convention, the president and ceo of jackson health system in miami, writing "why has the community abandoned hospitals and healthworkers amid covid-19's surges? "great to have you on. you run a large health care provider network and you have a hospital in miami-dade where you're at the point of service. first, what are you seeing in your -- among your -- in your
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network with your providers? >> well, our three hospitals that we have in dade county at this point in time are full. right now, what we've been doing for the last 30 days is -- we've been able to double the number of covid patients in the last 30 days from 200 to 400. that's not just what jacksonville is doing, but what every hospital in south florida is doing today. interacting wit some doctors from across the country, and some who live in states like florida or south carolina or texas. one of the things that's been striking me is this sense that the cavalry won't be there, the policymakers won't respond if things melt down. there's no faith that they can pull the switch, that they would take measures necessary. what is your sense of where policymakers are at and the governor desantis how he's managed this so far and how much
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confidence you have him. >> right now, he's been able to help us with additional staff. we asked him for 100 nurses which he delivered on. right now we're in the process of getting 50 nurses to, which he committed to today. that part has worked out pretty well. financi financially, some of the local elected congress people have been trying to help jackson as best we can. we are one of the top three public hospitals in the country, one of the top three teaching hospitals in the country. unfortunately, the last couple of trenches that came out of hhs, we missed those targets, which meant that we have gotten some money from hhs but have fallen short in the last two tranches, which means we have not gotten $100 million, which means our losses are higher than what we got from the federal government. we don't know what the future is going to bring. >> in terms of your hospital system, what would it look like
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for your hospital system if miami-dade were hosting some big event like a convention, how aware are the folks working in your hospitals of how much the social activity around them is driving the patients they're seeing in their icus? >> chris, the issue we have today in miami, it's an issue of behavioral and cultural from a community perspective. what we believe happened here is when we opened, the community just started opening up and trying to be normal. they started not wearing masks. many people were not being socially distanced and started spreading the virus. having a big event like that would make it a lot worse. the way we're going right now, we can deal with the next self-weeks, three, four weeks. but frankly, we need the community to bear down, be masking and socially distant and washing their hands. if they don't, we won't be able to survive a whole lot more and we'll be under water.
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so those are the challenges today. we could not handle a big event like that here in miami. >> so you said you have a runway of about three to four weeks. one thing that we have seen in places like texas, california, florida, this time four months into this pandemic, there's a little bit more of an advanced planning and surge capacity in hospitals. but your hospital system does need something to change. something has to change in the trajectory of the virus in miami-dade in the next few weeks, or you will be overrun is what i'm hearing. >> the changes have to be immediate. you know, we have -- miami-dade county is one county with 30 something mayors and municipalities. so we need everybody to be singing the same song. and that is very critical and that's now. many people are talking about contact tracing and all that. if we started bui eed building contact tracing now, we wouldn't
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see the impact for a month. that's way too late. we had a roundtable today with the governor and many of the larger mayors in the city and the county itself, that we want to make sure everybody understands that having that enforcement around masks and social distancing for everyone, it's important that we'll be able to reduce the kind of infections that we've been seeing for the last 14 days of 28% positive rates, which are way, way too high at this point. >> so you think -- i've been asking folks in texas and florida this same question. you think there's a way forward for floridians if miami-dade with strict adherence to masking and social distancing, you can get on top of this. >> look, we already shut down miami and we shut down the state, but we didn't shut down miami for almost two months. the moment we opened it up, the
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behavior went crazy. the concern is, if we don't change the behavior of our community, we'll be in the same place. so we need to make sure that we change the culture environment of all these parties going on in homes, all these pool parties and barbecues and make sure people understand the seriousness of what's going on here. miami is a very diverse community with multigenerational families. >> all right. carlos, obviously we're all pulling for you and your hospital system. thanks for taking a little bit of time with us tonight. >> thank you. next, it's going from bad to worse in texas. the houston mayor pleading as i said for another shutdown. how it got to this point and how other cityies can avoid it, aftr
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houston, texas, is the epicenter of one of the largest coronavirus outbreaks in the country right now. the positive test rate in houston is now nearly 27%. there are a lot of other signs about how bad things are in the area. the houston region set a new hospitalization record today, with nearly 4,000 patients. the intensive care units at texas medical center are at 102%
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capacity. they have some more surge capacity after that. across texas, counties are requesting refrigerated trucks to expand capacity for the deceased as morgues fill up. the obituary section was 43 pages on sunday. amidst all of these disturbing times, the mayor is calling for the city to reinstitute a shelter in place order, allowing the city to go back into lockdown for at least two weeks. how did houston get to this point? in july, four months after the pandemic began in this country, a great piece in "the new york times" looks at what happened. one of the zok ft doctors featu that article joins me now. let's start with that question, doctor, about what is your understanding of how houston and harris county got to the point it is at now?
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>> thanks for having me, chris. you know, it's not easy, obviously it's complicated. early on in this pandemic, we were fighting effectively march, april, may. a couple things happened. one, that the authorities, the powers if you will at the local level, that was taken to the state level. and the second thing that happened is we started to see reopen. and at the local level, we felt that reopening was happening too quickly too fast, too many things. but what occurred was that starting may 1 and different phases and different sectors that were opening up, it layered upon each other in addition to those milestone events, holidays like mother's day, protests, memorial day weekend, obviously father's day, et cetera, that all has added upon each other. and then there's been mixed messaging from that federal, state, and local level where people are like not a big deal. i don't have to wear my face
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coverings. that's where you have the trouble across the community and texas. >> there's -- it strikes me also there's a real question about suppression in general. one of the things that had happened in other places, whether it's italy, whether in spain or in france or in south korea or denmark, is that you have gotten cases down low enough that you could then manage new cases through contact tracing. you could be very careful. it seems a lot of the country, texas included, never got down to a low enough level to do that. is that fair? >> that is fair. our county elected official makes a very eloquent case for this. mayor turner as well in houston. what we've been saying is that, look, at the end of the day, you -- when you saw the cases going up, you could flatten things and plateau. but until you start to see a
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decrease, a decline, what you're essentially doing is just waiting for the suppression, as you mentioned, something to go away. the restrictiveness of the way the state is, and shut down, and when you reopen, all of a sudden there you go, you start to get an incredible increase. and that's unfortunately what we have seen here in texas. >> there is some reporting today in "the new york times" i wanted to ask you about that has to do with the reporting system. data has been very important. we've seen how the backlogs have hampered the ability to have eyes on the virus and to contain it and suppress it. for years, of course, the centers for disease control is the entity the hospitals report to, that collects data. there's now a new system that's put in place. the trump administration has wanted hospitals to bypass the cdc and send all information to a central data in washington that appears to be managed by hhs more directly.
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do you have any concerns about this? does this strike you as not that strange? >> well, it's different than we've ever seen before, so that right there is the anomaly and strangeness. we don't have all the details. but in public health, the transparency and the trust is absolutely critical. whether it's at the local public health level, the state or federal level with the centers for disease control. that that chain is so important. it's important bidirectionally, what they share down to us, what we share up to the cdc is critical. when you disrupt that chain and move things elsewhere, absolutely from a public health or a health care or from a doctor, physician stand point, we have concerns. why is this necessary? the cdc is the premiere public health agency. that has been designated over
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multiple emergencies to be responding. now, whether that's happened or not happened in this emergency, that's a separate issue we can debate all day. but they have to be able to be the trusted source for public health information that's the concern. >> final question for you. the mayor of houston, sylvester turner, is requesting a two-week kind of lockdown. i think anyone in america who went through the first lockdown hears that and they're just -- they slump and collapse at the thought of it, both from a morale and disruption perspective, but it does seem -- john barry who has a piece in "the new york times" saying that may be necessary. i keep asking every public health person, can texas, can florida, can arizona, can these states see their way through to managing and getting on top of the virus without some kind of lockdown? what is your answer to that? >> chris, what have they said to
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you? >> they seem -- it's funny you say that, because what they tend to say is that, and i just talked about the guy that runs it. they send to say look, if we get good about social distancing and masking, we can bend the curve on that. but i don't know how much that is spin or not. that's the concern is that now we -- the state has dialed back reopening, thankfully. we now have mask requirements across texas. we have mask requirements in businesses. we're doing all the things that we can do. locally, it's not in our hands anymore. the tools we had in april aren't there. so we have to rely on the state. everything that you do to dial up or down, that takes several weeks. the problem is, we don't have a lot of runway, a lot of room in our health care system. it's like a -- it's like a rubber -- you know, rubber band. you can stretch it, but
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eventually it breaks. it's unsustainable. so the reason that we're so thinking about doing something more than this, and the judge has made this point as well. it's not just a couple of weeks. we really need to get transmission, not just plateaued, but down. because otherwise you're at such a high number that if you don't do that, it will just take off. and that, again, you're all back to square one yet again. >> doctor, that was really, really enlightening and educational. thank you. >> thank you so much. thank you for what you're doing. still to come, as states like texas lose control over the outbreak, is another shutdown critical? what the path forward looks like after this. path forward looks e after this
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a few weeks ago, the big hope is we were going to have
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full-time, in-person school this fall. but that seems less and less a possibility. especially since there's this sense that the measures we used like statewide lockdowns are no longer an option. so what is the way out of this situation we're in? that's the topic of this new piece called how todumpster fir u.s. one to have easiest things to do is accept the fact that the virus has the upper hand. virus has the upper hand >> joining me now is the author of that piece, one of the finest writers on the coronavirus -- you can see that i keep asking every guest, we've got this ins
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that much of the world used, we used here in the u.s., which is to get it under control. but it's incredibly disruptive and economically, people'smental and physical health, their ability to get routine checkups. so what is the way out of the dumpster fire? >> i think it's exactly what you were alluding to when you read that quote from my piece. we have to acknowledge that this is real and we can't live life like we did in the summer of 2019. this virus is here for now. you know, most of us are susceptible to it. vaccines are still months if not longer away. and we really have to change the way we approach interacting with one another or it's going to continue to spread. i mean, you know, people went through all that pain in the spring. and then acted like oh, this was only a one-time thing. the curve was bent.
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>> i wanted to speak about two things. people's personal behavior, how people themselves are behaving, whether they're wearing a mask or social distancing. and then there's policy. both of which matter. it seems to me you have this weird mixed message, which is the bars are open, but you shouldn't go to them. it just seems to me like, there's a category of things we can't do anymore. nightclubs. big crowded concerts, huge indoor conventions that just can't happen until we have a vaccine, is that right? >> it feels like we learned that in terms of sports, you know, professional sports and concerts. they're not happening. but we do allow people to go into bars and share very small, poorly ventilated spaces. is that a good idea? probably not. i mean, it is very clear that
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this virus spreads well. when people have prolonged exposure to one another in inside space, that's dangerous. we have to take that on board. >> one of the things you mentioned here, and it gets to this crucial point, which is the question of how big a base the virus is drawing from. and the way that that relates to risk. if you have suppressed the virus, there's very little virus in an area, there are many more things that are much lower risk than if they're higher. you talk about the idea of a local weather report. local weather report >> this idea that things are dynamic and people will adjust their behavior accordingly seems a huge part of all of us adapting behaviorally for whatever we're in for. >> sure. and that suggestion was from one
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of the experts that i speak to frequently at harvard actually. but in order for people to do that, to get that message to people, you have to mine data effectively. that's another part of this, you know. people have individual responsibility. but officials have to be messaging appropriately. and they have to be giving people the information they need to be -- in order for them to take the kinds of measures you want them to take at a particular time. >> let me ask you this $64,000 question. right now we have cases, we're setting records. we have very high levels of positive tests coming back. we have backlogs in pcr testing. we're starting to see deaths tick up. is there an intervention short of lockdown that can get us back to not in such a disastrous situation? >> umm, i'm not sure. first of all, we talk about it
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as if it's a situation that is across the board. of course, different places are facing different conditions. >> of course. >> too many of them are facing bad conditions at the moment. but you know, for the piece that you mentioned, i talked to tony fauci. one of the things he said and others have said, you know, as the mayor that you were quoting earlier was saying we need to go back to the start of unleashing the restrictions and do it more slowly and prudently and do it right this time. i think in some places, that's going to have to be done. in fact, in some places they may need to go into lockdown again. other places, if people acted prudently, if they started to get appropriate messaging, if they -- you know, if people could strip the politics out of this and give people the information they need to protect themselves and their families, you know, perhaps we could start
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to turn the tide on this. but it's going to be a long haul. >> it's going to be a long haul indeed. the longness of the haul is real really setting in. helen, thanks for talking to us tonight. >> thank you, chris. coming up, some career advice from the president's daughter to millions of people currently unemployed. just find something new. that's just ahead. mething new. atth's just ahead. - [narrator] the shark vacmop combines powerful suction
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we had some technical difficulties, obviously, there, but i do want to actually continue paying tribute to some of the people that we lost. she was a fluent cherokee speaker, a proud grandmother. her family said her best recipes were her fried bread, biscuits and salt meat and she enjoyed camping. she died on the fourth of july at age 67 in tulsa, oklahoma. the single most threat to our language in this generation, taking from us speakers such as dali. the family asked those attending her visitation and funeral to wear masks and stay home if anyone had symptoms. mark was a 40-meter dash state champion, his nickname was black jack. he met his wife in high school. they went on to have a daughter. he was laid off about a month
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before he came down with the coronavirus and died june 30th at the age of 65. quote, mark believed it was safe to resume his normal activities in may when governor doug ducey allowed the stay-at-home order to expire. in his obituary his family wrote, mark, like so many others, should not have died from covid-19. his debt is due to the carelessness of the politicians who continue to jeopardize the health of brown bodies. after his funeral, his daughter kristen set up a vigil outside the state capitol building to honor her dad and call on the state's leaders to act. >> this will not bring back my father, but i hope that it helps other people not be in this nightmare that i've been in for the last three weeks. and i love my father dearly and i will miss him for the rest of my life. >> politicians should be listening much more to people like that than they currently are. it has been clear for months we're barrelling towards an ever
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worsening economic crisis atop the public health crisis. if we get this wrong it could be bad or worse than the great depression. the number of new jobless claims over the last few months has already made past economic crises look like blips on the chart, and yet with just two weeks until coronavirus unemployment benefits for 30 million americans expire, the trump administration and congressional republicans have basically kept quiet. until today when the white house unveiled their solution to this once in a lifetime workforce disruption telling unemployed americans to strike out on their own, and, quote, find something new. that's really the new slogan. especially because it was unveiled by ivanka trump, a woman who has never had to hunt for a job in her life because of who her father is. while the white house is suggesting that tens of millions of americans should spruce up their resumes and get more training, former president joe biden unveil aid $2 trillion plan to use climate policy as an economic development tool.
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here's what trump had to say about biden's plan in an >> mandate all 500,000 school buses and all 3 million government vehicles be changed to zero emission vehicles within five years. i've heard of worse than that. >> yeah, that's not bad. joining me now for more on the president's lack of a real economic plan and suggestion unemployed americans should find something new, medi hassan, host of the deconstructed podcast and presenter for al jazeera english. one of the things that happened during the last great recession, you had voices saying there is a skills mismatch. the problem is the american worker doesn't have the right skills to compete in today's economy. it turned out, no, the economy is garbage and when it gets better, unemployment goes away when there are opportunities. it's crazy in the midst this of all times to try to bring that back as, like, the idea of what's wrong with the american economy. >> yeah, chris, it's crazy to do
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that at any time when the economy is in a ditch when it is now and there are no jobs around. it's even crazier to put ivanka trump in charge of it, to make her the face of that find something new campaign. this is a woman who was born with a silver shovel in her mouth. who as you just pointed out has never had to find a new job in her entire life. she set up a business using her dad's brand name. she works in the white house today because her dad hired her for a job she's man getly unqualified for. this is a woman whose husband and father's catastrophic mishandling of this virus, chris, is the reason the economy is so bad right now, millions of americans lost their jobs. as you said, at the end of july, millions of americans are going to lose millions of dollars in additional funding. we should be focused on that, and yet the trump family has no plan to replace that fund. there no policy here. this isn't a jobs guarantee. it's nothing.
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>> here's the -- here's the craziest dynamic in american politics and policy right now. and it continues to be. is that the democrats passed multitrillion dollar rescue bill through the house called the heros act. there are democrats calling for payroll protection programs and $2,000 a month. >> yeah. >> huge amounts of money being pumped into the economy in the -- four months before the incumbent republican's up for re-election, when it -- when a growing economy would help him politically, right? so it's against political interests, but they're pushing for it, and mitch mcconnell and donald trump it's just line are awol on this thing even though it would help republicans if they would get their act together to do something. biden run against him today saying we need a lot more money. it's a bizarre dynamic. >> everything about this presidency is bizarre. and, yes, as you point out, the idea, you know, fighting the coronavirus would help trump get re-elected. wearing a mask would help trump get re-elected. he doesn't do things that would
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even help himself. find jobs for these people would help him bolster his bone fides. mitch mcconnell, who knows what his plan is. the only job vacancies he wants to fill are jobs in the judiciary. that's the only jobs plan mitch mcconnell has. so it's bizarre to see these people basically wrecking the american economy, wrecking american lives, you know, chris, for the second time in 12 hours a republican president has inherited a growing economy from a democrat, drove it into a ditch and handing it over to a democrat to fix it again. chaos is not a bug, it's a feature. it's a part of who this president is. he can't handle public health crises. he can't handle economic crises. the name trump is a biword for nepotism, corruption and incompetence. just makes no sense. she comes out and says she's fighting with people on twitter today, chris, defending this nonsense. you know, people are pointing out it's bastille day today. it's july 14th.
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she's being her best marie antoinette impression. let them eat cake. find something new. >> there is this sort of ideological portion to this that i find pretty fascinating, too. donald trump doesn't have any sort of real bthis. i think he wants to get re-elected, whatever it fakes. some republicans, the $600 coronavirus bonus in unemployment you talked about. they want -- they are worried that if there is too much rescue money for people, it will not discipline them enough to go out and get to work. so there is real -- they have expressed this time and time again. if you have rental, you forebarnes on foreclosures or evictions, if you have the $600 bonus. if you're taking care of people, you need to kind of, like, smoke them out of their holes to get them back into the workplace. >> yeah. >> which is part of the driving logic behind mcconnell and the republican caucus right now. >> to you have republicans, chris, talking about, yes, let's not give people $600. let's not give them an incentive
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to stay home. you can't have people having more money than when they had a job. a return to work bonus. which, again, is absurd. there are 1.6 million fewer jobs than there were in february. return to which jobs? what work. even if there before lots of vacancies employers saying come back, come back, which there aren't. why should we be insisting people go back to work in arizona, texas, florida, where the virus is exploding. we should be paying people to stay at home. some of us have been saying this since february. pay people to stay home. then you beat the virus and save the economy. this is not rocket science. >> it's all increasingly clear there are portions of the economy we have tried to bring back, indoor bars is an example. that probably can't come back safely. and so there's a lot of people that work in those industries and they shouldn't, you know, they shouldn't be just out of luck. like, we should take care of them to make sure that they can meet the needs of their lives and their families.
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and it's wild to me to consider that we're now up against the deadline on this. you know, heading into july of this expiration. we still basically have nothing from the white house or mitch mcconnell. medhi hassan, always great to talk to you, man. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> that is "all in" on this tuesday night. "the rachel maddow show" starts tonight with ali velshi in for racial. geevlg, ali. >> you know i always enjoy that conversation, chris. if you're in a country where you are getting more on emergency assistance than you got as a wage, that too is an issue we should probably be considering, right? are we just not paying people enough that the idea of being on unemployment is actually lucrative to some? which it isn't, but that's the whole point. chris, good to see you. thank you for having that cons. and thank to you at home for joining us off at this hour. rachel has the night off tonight. we've got a lot to get to this hour on what has bengal a very busy news day. just a short time ago we got